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Sep 23, 2017 1:23 AM
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Sep 23, 2017 1:57 AM
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** CHERRYLOVER MIKE BL ARCHIVES**

Tl;dr: By picking Rin or Saber you are "forsaking" Sakura, by leaving her to suffer at Zouken's hands.

Nasu essentially forces you to either pick Sakura or to forsake her entirely, which was my original point. As soon as youy pick any other route, Sakura gets screwed over which, essentially, forces me, as a Sakura fan, to reject the other two routes entirely. I mean, not only does she not get a (proven) good end, she gets nothing. Nasu seemingly can't even be arsed to tell us what happens to her when he gets the chance (e.g. in Last Episode).

The "beginning" and "middle" cannot themselves have endings, by definition. And, when you try to stick an ending in there, it ends up falling flat once you've seen the final part of the story due to the revelations made there. Sure the endings to UBW and Fate are fine on their own, but once you have watched HF, to me the way Sakura's situation is overlooked leaves a very bitter taste in the mouth, especially given how close she is to Rin and Shirou and how important she is to them. After playing through HF and seeing how much Rin truly cares for her sister (and how important Shirou is to Sakura), I find it very hard to stomach the idea of Rin abandoning Sakura to her fate and going off to London with Shirou.

It may not have been his (Nasu's) intention, but after playing HF I simply cannot like the Fate or UBW endings, especially UBW. All I feel is anger at Rin for being such a totally shitty sister. After everything Sakura has been through in her life, she deserves a lot better than to just be cast aside by the two people she loves whilst they fuck off to London together. He may not have intended it to be seen that way, but by leaving Sakura's situation totally unresolved in the first two routes he's caused a massive amount of dissonance between them and HF, particularly given the close relationship between Sakura and the two other surviving main characters (and, indeed, Ilya in Fate).


TruerKireiSep 23, 2017 10:32 PM
Sep 23, 2017 10:44 PM
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**CHERRYLOVER MIKE ARCHIVES, PT. 2**

Tl;dr: Rin is a shitty sister.

If there is anyone to blame for allowing Sakura to continue to suffer in that situation, it would be Rin and not Shirou. Shirou, at least, has the excuse of knowing nothing of the Matou family, magic in general or Sakura's adoption and having Sakura always act happy around him. Rin knows Sakura is usually depressed (except around Shirou) and she knows what magi are like. She should at least make some effort to work out why Sakura is depressed, especially since she's taking the guy who Sakura quite obviously loves more than anything (and who is the only person who can make her happy) away to London with her.

Again, Rin knows that magi can be bastards, and she knows that Sakura is not happy (except around Shirou). I don't give a fuck if there's some 400-year-old non-interference pact, there's no-one around to enforce it and, in any case they pact was broken the moment Sakura moved to the Matou family. Even Rin herself says as much. The minute she walks through the door of the Matou house in HF, she instantly regrets not doing so earlier, even before she knows what Zouken is doing to her. And, further, given how easily she works out what Sakura's "training" consists of, she must surely have had a reasonable idea of what the Matous were capable of beforehand.

It's also important to note that Sakura and Rin's situations are in no way comparable. Sakura can't ask Rin for help, because Zouken wouldn't allow it (and would punish her severely for it), and further it might endanger Rin for her to do so. Further, Sakura has extremely low self-esteem, due to her abuse, and thus expects Rin not to care which, coupled with the fear of what Zouken might do to her if she tries and the fear for Rin's own life, explains why she dare not ask for help. Rin, on the other hand, has nothing whatsoever stopping her doing so, other than some vague promise to her long-dead father. She does not do it because she is more bothered about some stupid 400-year-old pact than about ensuring the well-being of her own little sister, and thus she is to blame, at least a little

Given all this, I would argue that Rin's attitude to Sakura is sometimes just plain negligent, especially if she does just leave for London without making sure Sakura is OK first. She's ignorant of what Sakura is going through because, honestly, I don't think she even wants to find out, at least subconsciously. It's much more convenient for her to just overlook the whole thing and pretend Sakura's life is just wonderful despite all the evidence to the contrary. I can forgive Rin for it at the stage of FSN, because, ultimately, she's only 16 and she's very much beholden to her father's idiocy, but if she fails to look beyond that in the future and attempt to reach out to her sister, then I would find it a lot harder to forgive her for the suffering (and eventual death) that Sakura will be condemned to as a result.




Sep 23, 2017 11:12 PM
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** CHERRYLOVER MIKE, PT. 3**

Tl;dr: Last Episode is totally non-sensical (there's no way Shirou could go to Avalon) and it totally destroys the message that the rest of the story gives about heroism and Shirou's ideal. It's just pointless fluff that was added because Saber fans moaned that she didn't get to be with Shirou.

Last Episode doesn't work, because in so far as it's a "story about an ideal", Last Episode totally contradicts everything that's gone before. If you treat it in that way, then Last Episode is a total Deus Ex Machina ending, with the ideal dying (or, at least, being reformed in a fundamental way) under the assault of reality only to magically sprout back up out of nowhere on the final page without ever addressing the problems that killed it in the first place. The point is that, if you take the story as a whole, then the ideal clearly gets discarded as a result of what happens in HF, and since HF is the last route it provides the "ending" of the story as a whole (excluding Last Episode, obviously). If you treat the three routes as stand-alone entities which do not form a coherent story, on the other hand, then calling HF "one answer out of many" makes perfect sense, but in that case I don't see how you can call Last Episode anything other than a belated ending to the Fate route. Treating FSN as a single "story" with a beginning and an "end" does not make sense if you add Last Episode, and thus Last Episode does not make sense as an ending for the entire story. Thus, it is an Fate ending, and nothing more.
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