Magical Girl Raising Project (light novel)
abechau1 said: kidlat020 said: do you have any idea how wars start? that is when ethics/morality went down the drain. wars by itself is immoral. you make it sound like everyone FORCED in the warzone to be as immoral/unethical/corrupted as Swim and Fav. it just doesn't work that way. sorry but being actively on the hunt just to save your sorry ass isn't enough justification. protecting others is another story, even if they kill the aggressor in the process. Ripple is very much on the brink of moral collapse. she had to convince herself it's not murder but revenge. Why? because if she doesn't do anything then a psycho murderer (Swim) is left on the loose. anyway, I'm very much triggered by the magic world or whatever that is. "We apologize for the things Fav has caused."? their incompetence is what led to this murder spree in the first place. I personally Disagree. Fav was the one who caused this entire bullshit with Cranberry. Pretty much Fav initiated the whole process and caused at least 11 magical girls to die indirectly and 2 directly. He made the killing game to turn Swim into an antagonist. He even wanted Snow and Swim to be his master (Which both of them did not, thankfully) It's within their responsibility to keep Fav in check. You know what they say, the higher up surely are stupid. |
| >I had no brain when I was 12 >Then everyone must had no brain when they were 12 >I experimented 100 samples and proved that they had no brain when they were 12 >Therefore children cannot consent This is what science has done to humanity. |
| Swim shit is a dumb little shit. Being little & dumb does not justify murder. Murdering someone because someone else threaten to kill you is not justified also. Its only justified if its for self defense against someone who is gonna kill you. ie: War Top Speed best girl! |
| "Fear is not evil. It tells you what weakness is. And once you know your weakness, you can become stronger as well as kinder." |
| No way in hell. Geting to see her get killed was the best part of the this entire anime. |
| No, Swim Swim just wanted to be a real leader, and even being a kid, she did not care about what she would need to do, she was heartless! |
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| Absolutely not. I'm glad she died, honestly. |
| Were her actions justifiable? No... BUT when it comes down to it she was just a 6 year old girl that Ruler basically groomed and nurtured her twisted sense of reality.Nemu's dream hoping didn't help all it did was give her a goal to strive for and combine that with Ruler's rules about being a magical girl ultimately led to her actions. |
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| Swim Swim's general approach was entirely the best one for maximising her own chances of survival, as well as for boosting the chances of those around her surviving - even if her motivations weren't always along the right lines. For instance the Ruler situation. It would probably have been obvious that Ruler didn't actually have the support of half the team - Swim Swim was far more able to command their support, and treated them rather more fairly than Ruler did as well. That group was never going to be able to survive without working together to deliberately take out others. Even if they had tried to then sooner or later they would have been the targets. Far easier to take out the enemy first, and in a way in which you can dictate the terms of the attack - Swim Swim's strategy of getting unfair advantage may be unsporting but when your life is on the line then is that really something you should be worrying about? Not to mention that you can't accuse her of not playing by the rules when the rules were set up specifically in order to push people into behaving in the way she did. Of course, targetting Cranberry without fully understanding her wasn't the best of moves, but ironically if she had fully understood the situation then Cranberry would have been the most important target of all. Tama-chan was a tragedy of course, but think about it like this - if the number of magical girls had eventually been cut to one (which probably would have happened had they not destroyed that terminal) and it was just Swim Swim vs Tama, having the latter know both how to disable Swim Swim and what Swim Swim looked like outside her magical girl form would have been suicidal. Whether Tama would have actually taken advantage of this is another matter entirely of course. If anything, Ripple attacking Swim Swim was less justified than anything Swim Swim ever did. Fav wasn't forcing them to fight (yet) when she decided to do so and Swim Swim herself wanted to be the leader of the remaining magical girls, which obviously doesn't involve killing them. Of course the wrongs of both pale in comparison to those involved in setting up such a dastardly system to begin with. |
| There is no such thing as shit taste. Only idiots who think everyone should have the same taste as they do. |
| Depends on how you define justifiable. Were her actions right? No, she was a cold-hearted killer. Were her actions reasonable? Yes, she was fighting in a deathmatch to survive and she did that incredibly well. I also fully agree with the above poster. On top, I believe that if she hadn't acted as she did, Cranberry would have killed Snow and Ripple in the end because there was no one else to stop her. Tama would never kill anyone on her own and without Swim's support, she wouldn't be able to. Fav even said that was exactly what happened every time before. Cranberry simply obliterated everyone remaining. Was Swim a good person? No. She was a little impressionable and incredibly smart child without moral compass groomed by a heartless bitch. What else would you expect from such a background? But she was the most reasonable of them all and the only one who truly realised their situation. Kill of be killed. She never killed without a reason, she killed just to survive. The ones killing without a reason were Cranberry, Mary and Ripple. Cran killed for amusement, Mary killed for money and Ripple killed for revenge. None of them were forced to kill. That being said, Swim was the most interesting character in the entire cast and made the whole thing incredibly entertaining to watch. A great leader and strategist. Yes, her actions were logical and reasonable. |
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| **No major events are spoiled in this post, but I guess the ideas I discuss are relevant to the entire series, so this is my little disclaimer to all you folks who haven't completed the show** I'd like to think of this question in relation to Maslow's hierarchy of needs. I think the basic premise of the hierarchy is that there are different categories of needs, ranging from primitive to more complex and intellectual. If your basic needs aren't fulfilled, then you can't really spend your time thinking about the more sophisticated needs (i.e. self-actualization) because you're spending all your energy focusing on feeling safe, getting reliable food and water, etc. (or something like that) So how does this relate to Swim-Swim? The most basic level of the hierarchy is your physiological needs. Given that we've seen her, as a child, in her home, doing her homework, sleeping, etc., I think we can assume that she doesn't need to worry about finding food, water, and shelter. That means that she's ready to focus on a more advanced level of needs: Safety. I think we can assume that she feels safe in her normal human life. However, in magical girl world, this is not the case; it's a battle for survival, and she could die any moment. Sure, she's basically immune to dying in her transformed state, but the chance of being targeted and attacked is omnipresent: her teammates could turn on her, she could be stalked until she's untransformed and then killed, or some bloodthirsty character like Cranberry could come fight her at any time. She can't worry about taking a journey of self discovery or achieving higher levels of enlightenment, or pretty much anything else for that matter, when she needs to worry about surviving. So what can Swim-Swim do when her survival is at stake? Everyone knew that Fav wasn't on their side, especially considering how he kept mercilessly changing the games against them (let's not forget the whole point of the project in the first place), so the chances of him ending the games prematurely leading to a (somewhat) happy ending was pretty much not an option. This leaves Swim-Swim with two big options for her safety: 1) She could try to wait it all out and not fight anyone like Snow White. But remember, Snow White was constantly afraid of dying (again, Swim-Swim's ability was pretty broken, especially compared to Snow White's practically useless combat magic, but the possibility of being targeted by an attack is still there). While not engaging in battle is a viable option for survival, it could last for a quite long time and doesn't really help her feel more safe overall. 2) Because the whole idea of a survival game is, as Cranberry said, “Kill or be killed”, Swim-Swim could go ahead and be the killer herself. This is, in a sense, a way for her to actively secure her own safety. The more people she kills, the smaller possibility she has of being killed herself. No only that, but killing everyone else will shorten the competition time, thus leaving less time for her to have to be fearful of her safety. And yeah, throw on some really strong combat magic and a Halberd, and you're all set to be a killer! Looking back at Maslow's hierarchy of needs, Swim-Swim really can't focus on anything when this survival game is compromising her safety. Swim-Swim actively killing people, no matter how sneakily or ruthlessly she goes about doing it, is a way to secure her own safety: It leaves fewer magical girls alive who could potentially target her, and shortens the amount of time she'll have to worry about her safety. So if we look at this question with the mindset that she, like all humans, is trying to fulfill her basic needs, then yes, I believe that Swim-Swim's actions are justifiable. (Or at least that's my two cents) That being said, none of this stops us from hating her and thinking she's a bitch because she killed our favorite characters :p |
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| Except for killing Tama, I found all her actions somehow justifiable given the situation. |
| “Right is right even if no one is doing it; wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it.” ― Saint Augustine |
| Swim Swim is one of the best character in this show.. and I find it highly disturbing that people want the death of a 7 year old girl. she only want to survive in this game. |
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