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Sep 5, 2016 4:52 PM
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She is weaker than Rokuro and loses very often. Will she be stronger later? I can't stand another weak female character in anime :/
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I would put the part about her losing you-know-what, in between spoiler brackets for obvious reasons. Will she be stronger later? This is shonen manga, that is the most likely scenario.
Will she be even weaker?
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But always weaker than Rokuro :/
Sep 17, 2016 8:28 PM
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One can only hope. If they are going to set up something like they have in the past few chapters then it should lead to her coming back stronger and hopefully eliminate that gap. It doesn't make much sense to have the titled characters be the two of them and not have them stand on the same level.

I think it will happen, it is more a question of when.
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I don't think so. Her problem with the guardian probably will be solved.

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madaokyo said:
I don't think so. Her problem with the guardian probably will be solved.




I'm also kinda ticked at all these threads calling Benio weak when it's really the case of her abilities being different than Rokuro's and that her abilities are not suited for main offense alone in missions. Thinking that a speed type person could fight on the same level as a high strength type is pretty unrealistic. When faced with the high level threats we've seen, speed could only get her so far, while Rokuro is a freaking tank. That doesn't mean that she sucks or is less important compared to him. Rokuro and co. just need to strategize and reorganize roles for the missions so that Benio could make better use of her abilities. The 12 Guardians are also organized this way - in a sense that they aren't ranked by strength but rather who is best for combat and who is best for support.
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Lulupus said:
madaokyo said:
I don't think so. Her problem with the guardian probably will be solved.




I'm also kinda ticked at all these threads calling Benio weak when it's really the case of her abilities being different than Rokuro's and that her abilities are not suited for main offense alone in missions. Thinking that a speed type person could fight on the same level as a high strength type is pretty unrealistic. When faced with the high level threats we've seen, speed could only get her so far, while Rokuro is a freaking tank. That doesn't mean that she sucks or is less important compared to him.


From now on, all their enemies are gonna be Basara-level and above, and they're not just strong, but also have speed comparable to Benio. If all she's got is speed, she's not gonna be useful fighting at this level except for providing resonance.

And she is less important than him. That's why she's the one getting sidelined. And don't forget he's apparently Seimei's son too.

Lulupus said:
Rokuro and co. just need to strategize and reorganize roles for the missions so that Benio could make better use of her abilities. The 12 Guardians are also organized this way - in a sense that they aren't ranked by strength but rather who is best for combat and who is best for support.


The thing is Rokuro and Benio are supposed to be a duo, a team capable of working with just the two of them. The problem is that team doesn't work, because the gap of power between them is just way too big and she can only provide support at best.

Rokuro makes a better team with stronger fighters like Shimon.
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1idd0kun said:


From now on, all their enemies are gonna be Basara-level and above, and they're not just strong, but also have speed comparable to Benio. If all she's got is speed, she's not gonna be useful fighting at this level except for providing resonance.

And she is less important than him. That's why she's the one getting sidelined. And don't forget he's apparently Seimei's son too.

She's not getting sidelined because she's less important. The purpose of Rokuro and Benio being separated is so that they can develop on their own away from each other and it's meant to serve as a challenge/struggle because that means Benio has overcome her dilemma on her own while Rokuro wouldn't be able to rely on Resonance to finish off his enemies. And we still have yet to know the exact identity of Benio's guardian, who also has the possibility of being someone as significant as Seimei, otherwise, why else would the author keep their name and appearance hidden from his readers?


1idd0kun said:
The thing is Rokuro and Benio are supposed to be a duo, a team capable of working with just the two of them. The problem is that team doesn't work, because the gap of power between them is just way too big and she can only provide support at best.

Rokuro makes a better team with stronger fighters like Shimon.

What I'm saying is that they haven't tried to make it so that it DOES work and it's not because of a power gap. Their abilities are just different and you can't expect speed and power to be on the same level with each other. That's not even how it works in other stories, or even games.
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Lulupus said:
1idd0kun said:


From now on, all their enemies are gonna be Basara-level and above, and they're not just strong, but also have speed comparable to Benio. If all she's got is speed, she's not gonna be useful fighting at this level except for providing resonance.

And she is less important than him. That's why she's the one getting sidelined. And don't forget he's apparently Seimei's son too.

She's not getting sidelined because she's less important. The purpose of Rokuro and Benio being separated is so that they can develop on their own away from each other and it's meant to serve as a challenge/struggle because that means Benio has overcome her dilemma on her own while Rokuro wouldn't be able to rely on Resonance to finish off his enemies. And we still have yet to know the exact identity of Benio's guardian, who also has the possibility of being someone as significant as Seimei, otherwise, why else would the author keep their name and appearance hidden from his readers?


She's getting sidelined. When they separate, the story follows Rokuro. We're gonna be lucky if Benio gets even one chapter for herself during this arc.

And the identity of her guardian was already revealed in chapter 33. It's Ashiya Doman. He was a sort of Team Rocket villain in the legends of Seimei, always trying to defeat and embarrass Seimei, only to end up humiliated himself in all their confrontations.

Lulupus said:
1idd0kun said:
The thing is Rokuro and Benio are supposed to be a duo, a team capable of working with just the two of them. The problem is that team doesn't work, because the gap of power between them is just way too big and she can only provide support at best.

Rokuro makes a better team with stronger fighters like Shimon.

What I'm saying is that they haven't tried to make it so that it DOES work and it's not because of a power gap. Their abilities are just different and you can't expect speed and power to be on the same level with each other. That's not even how it works in other stories, or even games.


There's a power gap. When they just met, he had the impurity arm and she had normal equipment. He was more powerful. Then she got impurity legs but he got the guardian powerup. Once again, he was still more powerful. Then She finally got her guardian released, but then Rokuro got yet another powerup, leaving her behind all over again. There's always a huge gap between them. She's always lagging behind.

Then there's also a psychological issue. Rokuro is a typical shounen hero. If he gets knocked down, he stands up again and keeps fighting. His determination is that strong. Benio, on the other hand, is emotionally weaker. When the enemy is too strong, she tends to feel overwhelmed and lose determination.
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1idd0kun said:

And the identity of her guardian was already revealed in chapter 33. It's Ashiya Doman. He was a sort of Team Rocket villain in the legends of Seimei, always trying to defeat and embarrass Seimei, only to end up humiliated himself in all their confrontations.

That's what people's guesses are, and they are very good guesses, but the chapter didn't give the exact name, nor did it give us a face. So yeah, still mostly a mystery, regardless if people's guesses were right or not.
And it's not like manga/anime about onmyouji even care about accuracy (just look at Seimei! He looks like a child in this manga)
That bit of historical context about Ashiya is irrelevent because regardless of that, legends still claim that he is Seimei's rival and he was renowned enough for people to write him as such in fictional stories about onmyouji. Heck, regardless of you saying he's someone to not be taken seriously, writers still include him to do one thing - to have a major antagonist for Seimei; some stories even write Ashiya Douman to be powerful villains as well.
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There's a power gap. When they just met, he had the impurity arm and she had normal equipment. He was more powerful. Then she got impurity legs but he got the guardian powerup. Once again, he was still more powerful. Then She finally got her guardian released, but then Rokuro got yet another powerup, leaving her behind all over again. There's always a huge gap between them. She's always lagging behind.

We've been doing the same song and dance about their power gaps and I am honestly tired of repeating myself and seeing you repeat yourself. If that's how you see it, fine, since we're never gonna agree on what it means to be a duo.
You say that Benio lags behind because keeps losing even with all her powerups when I can also say the same for Rokuro. His powerups help him but the fights never end with him winning because of that, like when he runs out of stamina right before giving Hijirimaru the last punch; he would've died if Benio didn't step in. In my eyes, they look like the same results as when Benio's powerups run out. Even if I didn't see it this way, and if there was an immense power gap, that doesn't mean that they aren't a proper duo and that's rather a limited way of viewing them as such. There's such a huge stigma regarding characters showing weakness that it makes people think that weakness makes them less important. There are also other factors that can make two characters equally important, such as both of them sharing struggles or both of them having huge impacts on each others' lives or how they both contribute to significant plot points in the story (besides them being destined to bring the miko into the world, we find out that Rokuro is Seimei's son but I feel like there will also be something surprising about Benio as the story plays out).
Plus I honestly think this power gap business means nothing, especially in a later chapter.

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Then there's also a psychological issue. Rokuro is a typical shounen hero. If he gets knocked down, he stands up again and keeps fighting. His determination is that strong. Benio, on the other hand, is emotionally weaker. When the enemy is too strong, she tends to feel overwhelmed and lose determination.

And that makes her less important? Not everyone reacts to everything in the same way and you forget that Rokuro was once emotionally weak as well. Eventually Benio helped Rokuro overcome that and Rokuro returned the favor when he brought back her determination before he left for the island. They both have their equal share of strong moments and their vulnerable moments and they both help each other get through hard times. But yeah as I said before, showing weakness doesn't make her insignificant but rather it leaves more room for growth, which I am aware that we have yet to see much of, but it's still too soon to say that the manga won't explore her growth at all. There's proof in previous chapters that show different situations happening at the same time so there's hope that we'll be able to see Benio's side of this arc.
This is gonna be the last thing I'll say on this matter because yeah, tired of us going around in a vicious circle in every thread. Agree to disagree.
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Lulupus said:
1idd0kun said:
Then there's also a psychological issue. Rokuro is a typical shounen hero. If he gets knocked down, he stands up again and keeps fighting. His determination is that strong. Benio, on the other hand, is emotionally weaker. When the enemy is too strong, she tends to feel overwhelmed and lose determination.


And that makes her less important? Not everyone reacts to everything in the same way and you forget that Rokuro was once emotionally weak as well. Eventually Benio helped Rokuro overcome that and Rokuro returned the favor when he brought back her determination before he left for the island. They both have their equal share of strong moments and their vulnerable moments and they both help each other get through hard times. But yeah as I said before, showing weakness doesn't make her insignificant but rather it leaves more room for growth, which I am aware that we have yet to see much of, but it's still too soon to say that the manga won't explore her growth at all. There's proof in previous chapters that show different situations happening at the same time so there's hope that we'll be able to see Benio's side of this arc.
This is gonna be the last thing I'll say on this matter because yeah, tired of us going around in a vicious circle in every thread. Agree to disagree.


I agree with Lulupus. There isn't a power gap between Benio and Rokuro. It seems that 1idd0kun forgot the manga's initial chapters.

First of all, Benio was considered by Arima the strongest exorcist of the West and Rokuro the strongest of the East. Rokuro himself admitted that the battle between the both of them was a draw, that is, Benio without the Impurity legs was already on the same level as Rokuro.

Second, Benio is emotinally weaker...? Rokuro lost his friends and gave up being an exorcist, Benio lost her parents and decided to become stronger. Even when she encountered Kamui after many years, she attacked him head-on. The problem is that Benio suffered emotionally even more after this (when she discovered the truth about Yuuto, and due to the recent things that have happened to her), and eventually she crumbled. Benio helped Rokuro to stand up, and now it's his turn. That's all.

I see both Benio and Rokuro as protagonists, with different characteristics that complete each other. Of course, Rokuro has strength and Benio has speed, and that makes him more suitable to fight in the front lines, but this doesn't mean that Rokuro can fight relying only on strength, Seigen already said that to him, and Rokuro propably will need to develop other characteristics to fight in Magano. Benio will need to develop other things besides her speed too, and that's why Benio makes a much better team with Rokuro. Yuuto himself is proof of that. He surpassed them in speed and strength, and only with the impurity legs Benio surpassed Yuuto in speed.

Resonance is the ace up their sleeve, and I don't think that should change. The union between them is directly related to the plot of the story, and consequently the union of their powers should be their forte. They only need the develop more their individual abilities because not always they will be close to each other.

If you analyse the story as a whole, you will notice the importance of Benio in the story.
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Lulupus said:
1idd0kun said:

And the identity of her guardian was already revealed in chapter 33. It's Ashiya Doman. He was a sort of Team Rocket villain in the legends of Seimei, always trying to defeat and embarrass Seimei, only to end up humiliated himself in all their confrontations.

That's what people's guesses are


No, it was stated in the chapter. Read it again if you missed it.

Lulupus said:
1idd0kun said:
There's a power gap. When they just met, he had the impurity arm and she had normal equipment. He was more powerful. Then she got impurity legs but he got the guardian powerup. Once again, he was still more powerful. Then She finally got her guardian released, but then Rokuro got yet another powerup, leaving her behind all over again. There's always a huge gap between them. She's always lagging behind.

We've been doing the same song and dance about their power gaps and I am honestly tired of repeating myself and seeing you repeat yourself. If that's how you see it, fine, since we're never gonna agree on what it means to be a duo.


You said there wasn't a gap of power. That's simply not true. Rokuro's always more powerful. With his latest powerup he's around Hijirimaru's level, while she's around Higano's level in her guardian mode. That's a huge gap.

Lulupus said:
You say that Benio lags behind because keeps losing even with all her powerups when I can also say the same for Rokuro. His powerups help him but the fights never end with him winning because of that, like when he runs out of stamina right before giving Hijirimaru the last punch; he would've died if Benio didn't step in.


I never said Rokuro's powerful enough to fight alone. But he's still a lot stronger and more effective than Benio, to the point that all she does is provide some support and resonance most of their fights. That's not enough for the sort of ultimate team they're supposed to be.

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Plus I honestly think this power gap business means nothing, especially in a later chapter.


He just wasn't used to the thick miasma in the island. Once he gets used to it he'll be just fine.

Lulupus said:
1idd0kun said:
Then there's also a psychological issue. Rokuro is a typical shounen hero. If he gets knocked down, he stands up again and keeps fighting. His determination is that strong. Benio, on the other hand, is emotionally weaker. When the enemy is too strong, she tends to feel overwhelmed and lose determination.

And that makes her less important?


No, that makes her less effective in combat. What makes her less important is that she has less plot relevance. Rokuro is the main character so the story always follows him without fail. She's not essential, however, so the story can put her in the sidelines for a while without problems.
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I think that in one of the future chapters Benio will get pulled into magano and Kamui will teach her how to use ying enchanted power. I think this because of my "theory of who the twin stars and the miko are". I've posted my theory before but here it is:



My theory on who the sousei and miko actually are.

I think that Rokuro's enchanted guardian is Abe No Semei. There is plenty of proof for this and most people already know this. Kuzonoa calls Rokuro Semei. An impurity calls Rokuro Semei (zemei)(happens in chapter 3). In chapter 9 Mayura in impurity form says Semei while looking at Rokuro. The seal on his chest when his guardian is released is Semei's seal.

I think that Benio's enchanted guardian is the first basara Chinu. In chapter 28 we see a flashback where Shimon lists off the names of the basara, with images from the back of what they look like. If you count the images and match up the names to the ones we already know (Kamui, Higano and Hijirimaru) then you should see that the first basara Chinu has no image. Thats another reason why I believe that Benio's enchanted guardian is Chinu.

I think that Rokuro's guardian represents yang and Benio's Yin. We can see this by the seals on their backs when their enchanted guardian is released. This leads me onto who the miko is.

I believe the miko is and exorcist who has powers over both ying and yang. What Yuuto calls a true exorcist in chapter 14. The parents being the master of Yang (Semei) and the master of Yin (Chinu). The most powerful true exorcist will be born. I believe Arima is hiding this.

I think that Arima is hiding this because some exorcist would not agree with Chinu being an enchanted guardian and or the miko having power over yin.

Thats my theory I would love to hear others thoughts on it and what they think.



I posted it on the chapter 28 discussion ages ago. Basically I think Kamui will teach her how to use her true power.

After he does I think we will get a badass Benio who is just as powerful as Rokuro.
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I think that in one of the future chapters Benio will get pulled into magano and Kamui will teach her how to use ying enchanted power. I think this because of my "theory of who the twin stars and the miko are". I've posted my theory before but here it is:



My theory on who the sousei and miko actually are.

I think that Rokuro's enchanted guardian is Abe No Semei. There is plenty of proof for this and most people already know this. Kuzonoa calls Rokuro Semei. An impurity calls Rokuro Semei (zemei)(happens in chapter 3). In chapter 9 Mayura in impurity form says Semei while looking at Rokuro. The seal on his chest when his guardian is released is Semei's seal.

I think that Benio's enchanted guardian is the first basara Chinu. In chapter 28 we see a flashback where Shimon lists off the names of the basara, with images from the back of what they look like. If you count the images and match up the names to the ones we already know (Kamui, Higano and Hijirimaru) then you should see that the first basara Chinu has no image. Thats another reason why I believe that Benio's enchanted guardian is Chinu.

I think that Rokuro's guardian represents yang and Benio's Yin. We can see this by the seals on their backs when their enchanted guardian is released. This leads me onto who the miko is.

I believe the miko is and exorcist who has powers over both ying and yang. What Yuuto calls a true exorcist in chapter 14. The parents being the master of Yang (Semei) and the master of Yin (Chinu). The most powerful true exorcist will be born. I believe Arima is hiding this.

I think that Arima is hiding this because some exorcist would not agree with Chinu being an enchanted guardian and or the miko having power over yin.

Thats my theory I would love to hear others thoughts on it and what they think.



I posted it on the chapter 28 discussion ages ago. Basically I think Kamui will teach her how to use her true power.

After he does I think we will get a badass Benio who is just as powerful as Rokuro.


Nice theory you have there.

Firstly Abe no Seimei a girl and is not dead(body in magano). Secondly Magano is created by Abe no Seimei to deal with 'kegare no Ou'. Surprisingly her son is Rokuro but not through the method of birth, so you can say Rokuro was actually a part cut out from the whole Seimei(which explain the resurface of Seimei spirit). And the reason why Rokuro has jaw-like teeth is not just character design, but from the trait of 'kegare no Ou' during the time when Seimei dealing with it(we don't know what really happen between those two).

Rokuro and Benio's child who is called the miko, might be the reincarnation of Seimei. The thing is Seimei is not dead, so this will remain as mystery.

About the Ying & Yang, close but just a coincidence. Its more like Rokuro the light and Benio the darkness (might be) fighting out at the end, to improve the plot. Because the onmyouji trying to revive Seimei either by giving birth to miko or unseal the real one in magano, the basaras will also try to revive their own 'kegare no Ou'. < which makes you think Benio the darkness be the right candidate.
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She is weaker than Rokuro and loses very often. Will she be stronger later? I can't stand another weak female character in anime :/


She's not just useless in the fights. She's also useless narratively speaking, irrelevant. See how they can push her aside for like 10 chapters without any problems. As long as Rokuro is on screen, everything is fine. He's the only one who's relevant.
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I would put the part about her losing you-know-what, in between spoiler brackets for obvious reasons. Will she be stronger later? This is shonen manga, that is the most likely scenario.
Will she be even weaker?


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Roku was litteraly born in Magano, and he's suposedly Abe no Seimei's child, while Benio was born as a human from two human parents. Now Roku will always be stronger than Benio, he has inhuman streight compared to her, a human. I don't even know if Roku is human, bcs his teeth and red eyes says othervise. 

But the author also personally chose to make Benio seem weaker with crappy writing. Her only personality is that she has a very sad backstory and a lot of built up trauma, and she wants to take revenge on Kamui and everyone who has wronged her. But half the time she's unable to do anything when she's faced with a situation bcs the author purposely chose to write her as a weak ass FL, he'll rather let Roku or someone else solve her problems for her. 

She gets unfair treatment and even gets purposely left out of the series, sometimes for like 10+ chapters, it's almost like he forgets about her and then introduces a new character. I feel sorry for her :C 

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