| For the 1st time, I couldn't finish a harem genre anime. Yet, I have watched anime for more than 10 years and the harem genre never bothered me (I never took it seriously). Nevertheless, this one... And no matter how good the female cast is (we all know we watched this kind of series because of them), I can't stand this anime. I finally found out why : I do not like the MC. Yet, it is not the fact he is dense, shy, too nice or whatever generic flaws you want. It IS normal for a MC of a harem. No, the problem is he is not... manly. I can forgive his voice : he is supposed to be a boy who didn't hit puberty. But, his fights or how he saved the heroines are not epic at all ! He just powered up like you push on a button. Simply put : he doesn't suffer enough to deserve to be considered as a hero if you know what I mean. He overcame his opponent because of the power of... Love ? Willpower? his drag-drive ? Thus, IMO, Lux has the flaws of a MC of a harem anime genre (which is not really important as it is inherent of this kind of shows) AND is dull action hero. I have absolutely no sympathy for him. Should he be NTRed (and God knows how I hate NTR), I wouldn't mind. Worst is when he is forced to cross-dress and how stupid it was, though I know it's only for fan-service (it was supposed to be funny). And, I admit I didn't read the LN and watch all the episode, he might become a more likeable MC. Nonetheless, before blaming the author/anime producer, I wondered : is it because I'm getting older (I'm 33) or my culture (I'm French even though I have asian ancestors) is too different from an asian culture which might like this kind of hero (like a shounen MC is different from Scrooge McDuck or Superman) ? So whatever country you live in, whatever your age, what do you think of Lux ? Despite his flaws I have mentionned, does he have any characteristics you like ? Please share you comments ! |
| I havent watch the full series yet.i usually stay away from harem i got sick of it but for some reason i decided to watch the first ep and it was okay.Maybe it is that youre getting older who knows cause im in the same boat haha and certain things in anime like harem and cgdct anime did not bother me before ticks me off now |
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drkurochan said: For the 1st time, I couldn't finish a harem genre anime. Yet, I have watched anime for more than 10 years and the harem genre never bothered me (I never took it seriously). Nevertheless, this one... And no matter how good the female cast is (we all know we watched this kind of series because of them), I can't stand this anime. I finally found out why : I do not like the MC. Yet, it is not the fact he is dense, shy, too nice or whatever generic flaws you want. It IS normal for a MC of a harem. No, the problem is he is not... manly. I can forgive his voice : he is supposed to be a boy who didn't hit puberty. But, his fights or how he saved the heroines are not epic at all ! He just powered up like you push on a button. Simply put : he doesn't suffer enough to deserve to be considered as a hero if you know what I mean. He overcame his opponent because of the power of... Love ? Willpower? his drag-drive ? Thus, IMO, Lux has the flaws of a MC of a harem anime genre (which is not really important as it is inherent of this kind of shows) AND is dull action hero. I have absolutely no sympathy for him. Should he be NTRed (and God knows how I hate NTR), I wouldn't mind. Worst is when he is forced to cross-dress and how stupid it was, though I know it's only for fan-service (it was supposed to be funny). And, I admit I didn't read the LN and watch all the episode, he might become a more likeable MC. Nonetheless, before blaming the author/anime producer, I wondered : is it because I'm getting older (I'm 33) or my culture (I'm French even though I have asian ancestors) is too different from an asian culture which might like this kind of hero (like a shounen MC is different from Scrooge McDuck or Superman) ? So whatever country you live in, whatever your age, what do you think of Lux ? Despite his flaws I have mentionned, does he have any characteristics you like ? Please share you comments ! What kind of flawed logic is that? Following your logic, you wouldn't consider Captain America and One Punch Man good heroes either. Not every hero needs some kind of dark past or whatever. Plus: He lost his mother at a young age. He destroyed his own country. He was betrayed by his brother. He and his sister have to pay for the debt towards the old kingdom. I think that counts as suffering. And that has, imo, nothing to do with age or nationality, maybe you're just tired of this kind of MC. And to answer your question, he is pretty much a standard MC in this kind of story. I'm not particularly liking him, but I don't dislike him either. |
TheBigGuyApr 12, 2016 6:58 AM
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TheBigGuy said: drkurochan said: For the 1st time, I couldn't finish a harem genre anime. Yet, I have watched anime for more than 10 years and the harem genre never bothered me (I never took it seriously). Nevertheless, this one... And no matter how good the female cast is (we all know we watched this kind of series because of them), I can't stand this anime. I finally found out why : I do not like the MC. Yet, it is not the fact he is dense, shy, too nice or whatever generic flaws you want. It IS normal for a MC of a harem. No, the problem is he is not... manly. I can forgive his voice : he is supposed to be a boy who didn't hit puberty. But, his fights or how he saved the heroines are not epic at all ! He just powered up like you push on a button. Simply put : he doesn't suffer enough to deserve to be considered as a hero if you know what I mean. He overcame his opponent because of the power of... Love ? Willpower? his drag-drive ? Thus, IMO, Lux has the flaws of a MC of a harem anime genre (which is not really important as it is inherent of this kind of shows) AND is dull action hero. I have absolutely no sympathy for him. Should he be NTRed (and God knows how I hate NTR), I wouldn't mind. Worst is when he is forced to cross-dress and how stupid it was, though I know it's only for fan-service (it was supposed to be funny). And, I admit I didn't read the LN and watch all the episode, he might become a more likeable MC. Nonetheless, before blaming the author/anime producer, I wondered : is it because I'm getting older (I'm 33) or my culture (I'm French even though I have asian ancestors) is too different from an asian culture which might like this kind of hero (like a shounen MC is different from Scrooge McDuck or Superman) ? So whatever country you live in, whatever your age, what do you think of Lux ? Despite his flaws I have mentionned, does he have any characteristics you like ? Please share you comments ! What kind of flawed logic is that? Following your logic, you wouldn't consider Captain America and One Punch Man good heroes either. Not every hero needs some kind of dark past or whatever. Plus: He lost his mother at a young age. He destroyed his own country. He was betrayed by his brother. He and his sister have to pay for the debt towards the old kingdom. I think that counts as suffering. And that has, imo, nothing to do with age or nationality, maybe you're just tired of this kind of MC. And to answer your question, he is pretty much a standard MC in this kind of story. I'm not particularly liking him, but I don't dislike him either. Thanks for your reply. I don't know much about Captain America so I can't respond about him. Otherwise for Saitama, it's an interesting discussion. IMO, what is interesting in OPM is not the fights strictly speaking. OPM doesn't have the same state of mind as Bahamut or anything else. Hence its originality. In OPM, what is interesting is how Saitama's friends and foes react when they are in front of his power. Contrary to typical shounen stories, the question is not "how the hero will manage to win ?". My pleasure in OPM is more a sadistic (I exaggerate a little) guilty pleasure to read/watch a patronizing character being "broken" by the simple and humble Saitama. OPM could have been even more interesting if the tragic side of his power (for exemple, that kind of apathy he seems to develop) were more shown. But that's another discussion. In Bahamut (at least in the anime), all the tragic events you quote, apparently, didn't leave him traumatized. He and his sister have to pay, but they don't seem, at no moment, unhappy. You said "I think that counts as suffering." From a story point of view, yes, you are RIGHT. But (though I am careful as I still haven't watched all the episodes), the anime didn't bring out this suffering. So, I can't find him sympathetic. As for the fights, yes, he struggles like in every kind of action show. But, after a few seconds of so-called "suffering", big power up and finished. No blood, no broken ribs (well fighting in their drag doesn't help, I know), nothing dramatic that pushes you to think that, despite the obstacle he met, you want to say to him "GO !" We all agree that Lux is a typical harem hero (dense, indecisive, etc.). And, IMO, this is worsen by the absolute no epic combat (the "suffering" and so on). However, before blaming the anime director for his bad work (honestly that's what I really think), MAYBE, he (and by extension the author of the LN) thinks this kind of hero will still be popular enough. And that's my point of this topic : are school-harem theme heroes REALLY popular ? Would a 14-15 years-old guy with no love experience like them ? Would a girl like them ? Would a Japanese girl like Lux since he is far from being a superhero like Captain America ? Would someone at my age who is used to see this kind of heroes since his childhood still found Lux "normal" and likeable ? I think exactly like you : I grew tired of this "standard MC". Except, the obvious Lux's lack of manliness (worst was when he was forced to cross-dressed whereas he could just refuse or run away, but... for fan service sake...) really annoyed me. |
drkurochan said: TheBigGuy said: What kind of flawed logic is that? Following your logic, you wouldn't consider Captain America and One Punch Man good heroes either. Not every hero needs some kind of dark past or whatever. Plus: He lost his mother at a young age. He destroyed his own country. He was betrayed by his brother. He and his sister have to pay for the debt towards the old kingdom. I think that counts as suffering. And that has, imo, nothing to do with age or nationality, maybe you're just tired of this kind of MC. And to answer your question, he is pretty much a standard MC in this kind of story. I'm not particularly liking him, but I don't dislike him either. Thanks for your reply. I don't know much about Captain America so I can't respond about him. Otherwise for Saitama, it's an interesting discussion. IMO, what is interesting in OPM is not the fights strictly speaking. OPM doesn't have the same state of mind as Bahamut or anything else. Hence its originality. In OPM, what is interesting is how Saitama's friends and foes react when they are in front of his power. Contrary to typical shounen stories, the question is not "how the hero will manage to win ?". My pleasure in OPM is more a sadistic (I exaggerate a little) guilty pleasure to read/watch a patronizing character being "broken" by the simple and humble Saitama. OPM could have been even more interesting if the tragic side of his power (for exemple, that kind of apathy he seems to develop) were more shown. But that's another discussion. In Bahamut (at least in the anime), all the tragic events you quote, apparently, didn't leave him traumatized. He and his sister have to pay, but they don't seem, at no moment, unhappy. You said "I think that counts as suffering." From a story point of view, yes, you are RIGHT. But (though I am careful as I still haven't watched all the episodes), the anime didn't bring out this suffering. So, I can't find him sympathetic. As for the fights, yes, he struggles like in every kind of action show. But, after a few seconds of so-called "suffering", big power up and finished. No blood, no broken ribs (well fighting in their drag doesn't help, I know), nothing dramatic that pushes you to think that, despite the obstacle he met, you want to say to him "GO !" We all agree that Lux is a typical harem hero (dense, indecisive, etc.). And, IMO, this is worsen by the absolute no epic combat (the "suffering" and so on). However, before blaming the anime director for his bad work (honestly that's what I really think), MAYBE, he (and by extension the author of the LN) thinks this kind of hero will still be popular enough. And that's my point of this topic : are school-harem theme heroes REALLY popular ? Would a 14-15 years-old guy with no love experience like them ? Would a girl like them ? Would a Japanese girl like Lux since he is far from being a superhero like Captain America ? Would someone at my age who is used to see this kind of heroes since his childhood still found Lux "normal" and likeable ? I think exactly like you : I grew tired of this "standard MC". Except, the obvious Lux's lack of manliness (worst was when he was forced to cross-dressed whereas he could just refuse or run away, but... for fan service sake...) really annoyed me. You're welcome.I chose Captain America as an example, because he gets this supersoldier serum and then pretty much one hit KOs everyone. I, too, have only watched a few episodes so far, but you're right, he doesn't really seem to bother about his past. What I find also also weird: he is the ( former ) prince of the old kingdom, that apparently was very bad. But everyone seems to like him. At least a little disdain would be expected. And I agree with your other points. I'm at your age , and I can't really relate to a character like Lux. But I'm sure he is aimed at teenagers, so that's to be expected. I think teenage boys can relate to him, because he has a cool robot and girls. At least I could, if I were 14 years or so old. And I think girls that age would like him, because he's somewhat good-looking and the whole chivalry thing. Like he protects Krulcifers ( what a name, by the way ) "honor" against the douche in episode 3. Edit: As far as Mecha are concerned, I can relate more to Rygart Arrow from Broken Blade, since he's closer to my age and behaves more realistic. |
TheBigGuyApr 13, 2016 7:31 AM
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