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| THIS IS A MANGA ONLY DISCUSSION POST. DO NOT DISCUSS ANYTHING BEYOND THIS CHAPTER. ---------------------------------------- Yoma is kinda of an interesting character. I wish gl to that guy for his job hunting and whatever relationship he develops with others in the future. |
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| Best part of the chapter is Yoshino getting puzzled by the 'smile'. I also quite like Akio reminisce of the past. I am missing the link that connects everything here. I know from her speech and mannerisms, Yoshino always used the same 'trap' to entice and attract the opposite sex. What does 'inviting him to her room casually', 'get bothers if she were to be seen with a guy soon after a break up' and Akio thinking it's bullshit when she said 'I kinda expected this would happen?' when they were having sex for the first time' at the start of the chapter indicate? What does he find bullshit about? That Yoshino planned it meticulously and that was what she wanted all along? |
live2winAug 16, 2014 10:33 PM
| Seriously I wouldn't probe that deeply. The author is on a bender, so none of this makes any sense. Again, it's an attempt at re-writing the past to fit the present. We all know this is b.s. having read Yonensei. So he has to plant stuff in the past to make it look like the present situation makes sense. It make as much sense if you were standing on your head in bucket of water filled with piranha. Let the crap fest continue. |
RightSaidFred said: Seriously I wouldn't probe that deeply. The author is on a bender, so none of this makes any sense. Again, it's an attempt at re-writing the past to fit the present. We all know this is b.s. having read Yonensei. So he has to plant stuff in the past to make it look like the present situation makes sense. It make as much sense if you were standing on your head in bucket of water filled with piranha. Let the crap fest continue. I'm not quite sure why you are so angry. Are you angry that they are about to break up??? Akio and Yoshino weren't exactly the most stable of couples even in Yonensei. There was several times where Yoshino brought up the option of them breaking up due to her dissatisfaction of Akio. It is true that Yoshino does come across as a bigger bitch in Gonensei but that probably comes more from them not keeping close and her frustration of Akio boiling over. After all he is a bit of a loser. |
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scruffykiwi said: I'm not quite sure why you are so angry. Are you angry that they are about to break up??? Akio and Yoshino weren't exactly the most stable of couples even in Yonensei. There was several times where Yoshino brought up the option of them breaking up due to her dissatisfaction of Akio. It is true that Yoshino does come across as a bigger bitch in Gonensei but that probably comes more from them not keeping close and her frustration of Akio boiling over. After all he is a bit of a loser. Seriously? You bought everything the author was selling hook line and sinker. Wow. It's quite obvious how the characters are being presented in Gonensei is nothing like they are in Yonensei. Yoshino was not a bitch nor was she a sociopath but that is how Shimoku is portraying her. Akio is a slacker, he's not a loser, but Shimoku wants you to think that. None of the actions of the two characters work. We have to ignore everything that occurred in Yonensei for the Gonensei story line to work. Shimoku's intent was to break them apart in Gonensei. He posits two plausible events that could make that happen. One were Akio encounters two women at the drinking party, the other where Akio kicks Yoshino colleague. Neither event causes the couple to break up. What causes the couple to break up is some guy typing on a laptop that makes Yoshino snap. She basically has a mid life crisis. Seriously. It makes no sense. What would make sense is if by being separated the two of them begin to grow apart. But that doesn't happen. We are giving a jarring event that somehow turns Yoshino into a bitch and a sociopath, and learn that she has loatheed Akio these many years. Really? But here's the kicker: how do they get back together? How do you put humpty dumpty back together? Yoshino shat on Akio and their relationship. She humiliated Akio. She ripped apart any trust they had in each other. How exactly is the reader suppose to root for them to get back together? Shimoku has alienated Yoshino to the reader. If anything the reader is rooting for them *NOT* to get back together. The reader has no vested interest in them as a couple. These are the glaring plot holes to the story. You can't have missed that. It doesn't matter to me if they are together or not. Break them apart. But the author must make a compelling argument for the couple to break up. As such he has not. He would have been better off writing a new story. Read Toshiue no Hito. That author breaks that couple apart TWICE. However, it works. It fits the story and the characters. In Gonensei, it does not. |
| I can believe, to some extent, people can fall for another based on their bodily features. That's possible. However, it's only in Gonensei where we saw that Yoshino has this taste and one that's rather peculiar to boot. This is not something an average guy could strive to become. It's not accumulation of wealth, status, change of personality or self improvements in any manner etc. It's his wrinkled fingers. That was what pull her in in the first place. After that, she got obsessed with the way he 'pay attention to sound'. This two elements itself show that there is nothing to stop Yoshino from deja vu-ing in future. As long this history repeats itself, they were meant to be broken up. Not because how their relationship started or the long distance element between them too. It's entirely at the mercy of Yoshino whims and fancies even if Akio give it his 100%. I actually think you can probably replace Akio with any desirable male being ( by conventional society standard ) and it's still the same thing. Unless, you're the one with that distinct trait she goes head over heels with. |
RightSaidFred said: scruffykiwi said: I'm not quite sure why you are so angry. Are you angry that they are about to break up??? Akio and Yoshino weren't exactly the most stable of couples even in Yonensei. There was several times where Yoshino brought up the option of them breaking up due to her dissatisfaction of Akio. It is true that Yoshino does come across as a bigger bitch in Gonensei but that probably comes more from them not keeping close and her frustration of Akio boiling over. After all he is a bit of a loser. But here's the kicker: how do they get back together? How do you put humpty dumpty back together? Yoshino shat on Akio and their relationship. She humiliated Akio. She ripped apart any trust they had in each other. How exactly is the reader suppose to root for them to get back together? Shimoku has alienated Yoshino to the reader. If anything the reader is rooting for them *NOT* to get back together. The reader has no vested interest in them as a couple. Why should they get back together??? In real life couples break up and go their own ways. That's the way it is. I also don't think Yoshino has been portraying as a sociopath, but she sure was a bitch before and still is. A likable bitch but still a bitch. As to the breakup .. this happens when you put distance between each other and don't make an effort. And that comes from both of them. Aiko could have made much more effort than he did after all he had alot of free time. It's not that Yoshino had a mid life crisis, it was that she was lonely and allowed herself to pay attention to guys who she would previously ignore. All of this I find perfectly believable. Sad, but believable. As for needing a 'compelling reason' to break up??? Well I'm sad to say that in real life you don't need those. There is often no one 'ah ha' moment that ends a relationship. Sometimes they just fizzle out. And just one final comment ... I would put the blame more on Aiko than Yoshino for the breakup. After they start living apart Yoshino is working fulltime in a difficult and new job and was exhausted, but whenever Aiko meet her all he wanted to do was screw. I'm not surprised she didn't feel like it but instead was just wanting to have some relaxation and companionship. What Aiko should have been doing was regularly popping up just to have a relaxing dinner together. Instead he ... played computer games and waited for her to call!! Sure she told him to give her space but popping up just to spend an hour or 2 together would have made all the difference. He had the time and could have even got a part time job to earn some cash. So yeah .. Yoshino ended up gravitating towards a relationship without sex with thin dood |
scruffykiwiAug 18, 2014 4:17 AM
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