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balls_nuts_even | Jan 28, 2021 12:43 PM

אחייייייייייייייייייייייי מה הולךךךךךךךךךךךךך

Abasha2020 | Jan 28, 2021 12:40 PM

אחיייייייי

HatifSonicArabi | Jan 28, 2021 12:39 PM

אחי סקס!!

TheDooM | May 24, 2010 5:08 AM

the one who uses innocent civilians and children as human shield is the hamas!

2himitsu2 | Apr 9, 2010 4:01 AM

this disscusion between sesame-chan and envychan was pretty interesting but you missed somethings:
1.before bombing we sent flying massages for the people living in gaza
2.lest say we returned them "their land" where are we going to be??
3.and yeah our army is one of the most gentle armies in the world -our soldiers dont attack the innocent
4.we know that not all the people in gaza are to blame ist not thier fault for leaving in fear from the hamas in gaza
5.about the video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH0o_07BBk0 there are some types of jews in israel:
relegious people
non religous people
people who wants peace
peoople who hate arabs(most of them are religeous people bunt not all of the isrelies in israel are religous people)
people who dont mind or love arabs
so you see we are not to blame and i dont think that any of the jewish or israelies in the world or in israel like that the world agains them israel just want to protect themselves and jewish people in the world just wants to live their lives in peace.
i hope this stupid war will and soon i think its stupid for humans to fight among themselves as a society of humans we are one and the same and actually we have more things to be concred about exept our stupid war like global warming 2012(worlds end)
so all this is my opinion of course i hope no more blood will be spilled in both sides about this matter i say letss leave for peace !!

Sesame-chan | Apr 22, 2009 3:47 PM

EnvyChan said:
shockingly for you, I have friends there, and I do know very well what is going on there.

Actually I AM shocked to know that, you have friends in Gaza, yet you don't mind them being killed by your gov.

EnvyChan said:
I swear, I just don't have any nerves or power to star comforting all the lies you've been telling, and we both we'll keep saying the same things, and in the end we'll both get mad.
Peace

You know, I think it would be easy for a neutral person who comes across this club to find out who's telling the lies, so lets just leave it to the neutral people's judgment.

Anyway, it was nice talking to you.

EnvyChan | Apr 22, 2009 11:33 AM

Damn, when I went into this club today I tolled myself "don't answer anything". But I'll write to you one thing. I know all the claims you tolled me already. I watched some pro-gaza media. It's is misleading. I know what Hamas was telling people in Gaza. Because, yes, shockingly for you, I have friends there, and I do know very well what is going on there.
I swear, I just don't have any nerves or power to star comforting all the lies you've been telling, and we both we'll keep saying the same things, and in the end we'll both get mad.
Peace

Sesame-chan | Apr 21, 2009 4:05 AM

EnvyChan said:
Wow, Sesame-chan, thanks for enlightening me ^_^

You're welcome! ^_^

EnvyChan said:
Lets discuss some of the points you made about children being "brutally" "murdered" in gaza. Maybe that was because Hamas were carrying them as human shields, knowing that Israeli soldiers will never shoot them in that case.

Do you still believe that you can fool the world with this pathetic excuse? And didn't we go through this human shield garbage already or didn't you clearly read my post..Shield or no shield the IDF brave soldiers have no problem killing the kids anyway and Gaza is a living proof.

EnvyChan said:
Oh yeah, I see those children smiling, after being brainwashed that death is the way, right?

Brainwashed? They are poor, cold, starving, deprived form a decent life because of the siege you're suffocating them with; they are practically buried alive, so excuse them if they choose to die over living in that misery you put them in.

EnvyChan said:
I do also apologize, that the several kindergartens in Ashdod, Ashkelon and Shderot that were bombed, didn't have any kids inside, because they were all in shelters during the war, shelters you probably don't have because you're government doesn't even care for you. Because they are Terror organization FREEDOM FIGHTERS (fixed) ^_^

No, they don't have shelters for so many reasons and here are few:
a) Where the heck would they build it when one and half million of population are squeezed in just 350 square km? Very crowded to have decent housing and you want them to build shelters, where?
b) When? Did your abrupt assault on Gaza give them the proper time to do so?
c) Can they afford it, fanatically? Really really not.
d) Why would they when your advanced weaponry would easily penetrate the shelters anyway?

EnvyChan said:
They didn't even bother delivering you the food and medicine we sent (No, yet again I'm not making this up, it was in mass media around the world), because they don't really care, you know.
And don't think I'm trying to frighten you or brainwash you, I'm just stating the truth.

I'm sorry that they don't want to eat the food tainted with their children's blood on your hand.
And let's think about it, if you were really "concerned' about the people in Gaza, and if you were trying to transfer "your aid" to them, would it really be that difficult for you? I mean can't you throw them with some aid planes or something, or did you forget to make those types of planes among your weaponry?
Hamas, if you don't realize, are also people with families and children. Are you suggesting they would deprive their own families from food?
Then again, Gaza is dangerously short of supplies as a result of YOUR blockade, not because "Hamas is not delivering the food"
And to be stating the whole truth, also the blockade of the traitor Egyptian leader.

EnvyChan said:
Do you really want us to start comparing the Israeli morals against Hamas morals?
Fine then, well then lets start from soldiers in captivity:
Hamas terrorists in Israeli prisons: can be visited by family, can speak to the media, have human conditions.
Israeli soldiers in captivity of hamas: His family isn't aware if he is dead or alive, been in captivity for the last 1000+ days.

Well, I didn't want to bring up the issue of the prisoners in my last comment for your sake, but since you're seeking for it:
http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/prisoners.html#source
Hmmm 1 vs 10,765! WOW!
Are you trying to convince me that you allow the families of all Palestinian 10,756 prisoners to freely pass through "the wall" and visit them? Pffffft
Or you mean you're imprisoning some of their family members with them, so they won't get lonely? Awww how nice of you!
Yup yup, you truly preserve their human rights, no torturing , no beating , no food and water deprivation, not even being shot at , assuming of course they had fair trials.
And btw those 10,765 prisoners are mostly civilians and at least 400 of them are minors, but eeeh "Human rights" of OTHERS is not a word in your vocabulary anyway.

And poor Gilad, who was actually a peace-loving guy that was accidentally sitting in a tank wearing an IDF uniform and holding a gun, see how when one SOLIDER of yours gets caught you're all angry and worried about him, how do you think the families of the thousands of CIVILIANS you hold in captivity feel? Or is it only okay if Israel is the one doing the abduction?
And see how this is a perfect example of the unfair media your complaining about, how ONE of the Israelis has hundreds of thousands of pages on the internet, and being mentioned all over the news while nobody even knows the names of the dozens of Palestinians whom you capture daily.
And apparently his safety is not a priority on your democratic government's task list.

EnvyChan said:
Next lets talk about, hmm...the value of life:
Let me quote a Hamas leader saying "We shall win the Jews (Damn and I thought it was Israel you were fighting ^^"") because they value life and we value death".

Hmm, I wonder why he said Jews, may be because Israel is a Jewish state? :O
And just because you're not brave enough to understand the concept of martyr, doesn't mean you're right, or doesn't mean the Palestinians hate to live, they do value life, but a REAL life, not that miserable one they are obliged to live.

EnvyChan said:
Wow about the winning part, I'll argue quite a bit, but about the rest...Who held Palestinian children as human armor? Who injured Palestinian children when their missiles accidently pre-exploded? Hamas.

Keep believing your lies, and exaggerating them, may be that will make them true…
And stop repeating yourself, I could do so, you know…
Who killed the 1300 unarmed civilians that more than half of them are women add children? Israelis…
Who ACTUALLY LITERALLY hold civilians as armors? Israelis…
Who decapitated the three daughters of the doctor who works with them? Israelis…
Who hold the Palestinians in the world’s biggest open-air prison for decades? Israelis...
Who used illegal white phosphorus weapons against civilian that burn people alive and whoever survives develops malignancy? Israelis…
Who blow up UN centers and schools? Israelis…
Who kill reporters and peace activists? Israelis …
Who build illegal colonies, violate the international law? Israelis…
Who has the most coward army in the world? Israel…
Who are the war criminals? Israelis …
And who are the actual terrorists? Israelis…

And if I had the time I would've filled tens of pages with your abuse of the Palestinians.

EnvyChan said:
And then lets ask the question..Who took care of those children? Who took them to hospitals? Israel ^^
Oh and btw, no I'm not making this up, it is a very known fact.
Actually, the left wing (For peace) in Israel made a report about that, because one of those kids was to severely damages, and the childrens hospital Shneidar couldn't do anything for him. They also showed his families reaction. Maybe that's why you should stop listening to an all Hamas media.

Okay, then instead of parroting the same statement over and over about that solitary case*coughs*vs 400 YOU killed* without giving me some solid evidence, show me a video or some pictures or at least the interview with his family…

EnvyChan said:
I think you also should wake up, because if Iran bombs us the way they want to, you are going down too. Yes, they are threatening the whole area, they are almost in possession of a nuclear weapon, how else should we call that? +It is a dictatorship.
What? Did you really think they cared for you? Well then, why won't they actually help you?^^ And I mean start giving you water and electricity instead of us? Stop sending you weapons start sending you some actually valuable things like medicine, food... Same goes for all dear Arab countries surrounding us and caring tones for you, it seems.

Iran's danger is 100% your creation, just as Iraq's was. You have the largest amount of WMD in the Middle East, and you are the greatest threat on the region, but the US, as usual, is looking away from that fact,
LOL who said they don't send aid? The "trustful' Israeli media of course >_>. But the truth is they do and YOU are stopping it from reaching the people in Gaza, yes, eat your heat out, they actually do care.
You're saying you’re providing the Gazan with your little electricity and water as if you're doing it for free haha. And I don’t think you'd permit any of the surrounding Arab counties to extend some fuel and electric lines to them, would you?
And don't get me started on how you get the Egyptian Gas XD

EnvyChan said:
And another thing, do you really belieave that rubbish about Israel controlling the US with a zionist lobby? Do me a fav, we sadly do exactly as they say.
BTW you did contradict yourself on that, from one side you're saying that we were afraid of Barak Obama, from the other that we control everyone up there in the Us...Hmmm...

Don't play dumb on me now, yes you DO control the US government, and you're brainwashing the Americans with your Zionist media and you know it.
I could quote your former prime minister's, Ariel Sharon, own statement for that matter, but I'm sure you've already heard it

And when did I ever say you were scared of Obama? You just didn't want to embarrass the guy after the generous promise he made to you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HmTOoGYjsHg

EnvyChan said:
Oh, and another thing. Did you even bother watching the open letter to the world?

You seem to be fascinated with that "hasbara", you keep posting it every where ;) …You don’t realize that it means nothing to people who know the truth beneath your skin.
Here's a small exampleAww, see, this guy is neither Muslim nor Arabic and he knows your truth even prior to your assault on Gaza :D
And as a matter of fact, I did watch it, TWICE but as I said earlier, it's hard to swallow when I follow it with the videos where you're celebrating your slaughter of the Palestinian children and keeping on imprisoning them on their own land.

BTW, did YOU even bother check out the links I posted earlier? You haven't commented on a single one.
And, please let me know if you want more, I have a huuuuuuuge folder filled with documents, pictures, and links.

EnvyChan said:
This is very sad, but I guess we'll have to start the who started what game! Who did the first massacres in 1921,1929,1936-1939?

Actually thanks for reminding me of those, it's a well known fact that they were a RESPONSE to the British occupation of Palestine and the massive flood of the Zionist immigrants who were trying to put their hand on the Palestinian's land one way or another and that was even BEFORE the establishment of Israel and as far as I'm concerned that revolt lead to the death of 5000 Palestinians not to mention the15000 injured vs. 400 Jews, so to sum it up their land was being stolen and they were murdered when tried to object.

EnvyChan said:
Lets ask a better question, who was offered the option of two countries, for Arabs and Jews, where the Arab country could have been far larger then the Jewish one, but never the less, denied the offer, and jumped into war?

You mean was offered to give away THEIR land? What kind of an offer is that? It was a one-way deal if you think about it.
What right did Britain have to grant you somebody else's country? Yes somebody else's country, quoting your own people:

"We came here to a country that was populated by Arabs and we are building here a Hebrew, a Jewish state; instead of the Arab villages, Jewish villages were established. You even do not know the names of those villages, and I do not blame you because these villages no longer exist. There is not a single Jewish settlement that was not established in the place of a former Arab Village." – Moshe Dyan, March 19, 1969, speech at the Technion in Haifa, quoted in Ha’aretz, April 4, 1969.

"Because we took the land this gives us the image of being bad, of being aggressive. The Jews always considered that the land belonged to them, but in fact it belonged to the Arabs. I would go further: I would say [color]the original source of this conflict lies with Israel, with the Jews [/color]– and you can quote me." – Yehoshofat Harkabi, former Israeli Chief of Military Intelligence, in ‘Peace Won't be a Plane Ticket to Cairo,’ International Armed Forces Journal, October 1973, p.30.

EnvyChan said:
Wait another thing there, you are complaining that your weapons are weaker then ours, so when you attack us, which happened btw after we declared that we won't anymore, and before the operation, we shouldn't respond to that? We should just sit quietly in our shelters and accept the bombing? Guess again. We will fight with what we've got. And sadly, we are not fighting a country, we are fighting a terror organizationFreedom fighters. And we were trying to target terrorists.Civilians

You didn't attack? LOL
YOU BROKE THE TRUCE FIRST…Do I need to bother posting the hundreds of videos and articles that prove that?

EnvyChan said:
Another thing there: "A democracy? A state whose dream is possessing"God's promised land"and slowly eliminating all Arabs on it, both Muslims and Christians, is a democracy?

Wow, were did you take that from?

Get out of your shell, you'll find out that the whole world knows this for fact and what the heck, hear it from your own mouth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJV8KSOPoH8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnUlGXOrTS4
Explain to me, how do you want to get "your land" without removing the Arabs from it?
By peace may be? Yeah right.

EnvyChan said:
XDD There are actually quite a lot Arab & Christian citizens living peacefully in Israel. They are Israelis, they get equal rights as Israelis,

Wait tell their number increase, and become a "threat" to the Jewish majority and you'll see what your government will do to them ;D
Muslims and Christians aside, speaking of democracy, tell me what do the secular Jews and such do when they want to get married in Israel? XDD

EnvyChan said:
and they don't go shooting missiles, and committing suicide bombings in public places ^^ Leave that, I live in a city which is considered mostly Arabic, I have Arab friends that go with me to school O.o

Why would they? They are free, healthy, afford to get food and medications, doesn't that give you a hint of what the "others" are going through to the level of making them sacrifice their lives.
And just so you know, I'm against attacking civilians both yours and theirs.

EnvyChan said:
But I don't see what other choice your side has given us. We removed the illegal settlements, we did everything, we made Israelis fights Israelis only that they would leave that place, for you to come back there again. And what did we get in return? Bombings. Oh and children being all happy that a missile killed people in Shderot. Thanks really.

I'll try to overlook the illegal building of settlements in the West Bank, which btw is still illegally ongoing, and I'll focus on Gaza… You're complaining that you had to remove the illegal colonies by fighting each other, why did you do it in the first place?
And weirdly you're expecting a big thank you for returning back the lands you stolen and kicked away their residents and destroyed their houses. HOW TWISTED!

And in fact the withdrawal was done because it was becoming increasingly difficult to protect the illegal settlements. And after "withdrawing" Israel retained control of Gaza's borders, airspace and coast. It was purely tactical, do you call that justice?
The cruel reality was created by Israel, not Hamas; if you treat people like animals, why is it a surprise that they act like animals?

And don't act like you were angelic innocents in the past 8 years, you've killed 6,000 and injured 33,500 Palestinians, excluding Gaza, if you didn't know, or does your meter only counts the deaths on your side?

EnvyChan said:
P.S: LOL This is foul language? What? One word in Russian in the whole entire text?^^

EnvyChan said:
FUCK

LOLWUT that's Russian? o_O
And saying it once, saying it twice, doesn't matter, it's still profanity ;p

EnvyChan said:
Sorry for being so sensitive in this topic. Do you know how your fellow Palestinians treat me when I want to talk to them?^^

Oh you mean like this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH0o_07BBk0

EnvyChan said:
Also about misleading media btw>_>"

why is the truth so inconvenient for you?

EnvyChan said:
Last thing, really "give them back their land" which land? Do you mean like whole Israel? Whole Israel that never did really belong to the Palestinians (but please lets not get into that discussion, I'm tired of saying the same things over and over again.) Practically, how do you see that, enlighten me ^^

I already answered that.

EnvyChan said:
I suggest you enlighten yourself, research a bit, try to understand the other side, and then come back for an actual discussion on the matter =)

Actually that should be my line; I suggest YOU go do some REAL research instead of trusting the history books they give you at school XD

EnvyChan said:

pazpeace said:
http://www.nkusa.org

What were you trying to prove with showing us Neturei Karta? Those people are religious fanatics that say the holocaust and WW2 happened because people are not religious anymore...
And your point is?

He was trying to show you some decent ACTUAL peaceful people, whom I hope someday you will live up to be like.

And here's another respectful human being, who, shockingly to you, lives in Israel and sees the truth of both sides and still supports the Palestinians.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkwiJ-3i5r8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7GaW8zC4LZA
Don't tell me you're aware of the situation more than a former Israeli captain XD

ido670 said:
NOBODY WILL CHANGE IS MIND BEACUSE OF SOMETHING THAT WAS WRITTEN BY SOMEGUY ONLINE!!!

Truth..But I never claimed I was arguing to change EnvyChan's or her friends' mind.

EnvyChan said:
ido670, I enjoy debating ^^

I actually don't enjoy debating, and I certainly don't like wasting my little free time arguing on an anime website, but I just can't stand it when people justify their WAR CRIMES in the name of the alleged "self defense".
Do you even feel sorry for the kids whom you've killed?
Tell me honestly, do you or do you not believe that the Israeli child's life is much more precious than the Palestinian child's life? And that "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail."? And that you think of the Palestinian babies as potential terrorist, so better eradicate them now while they're in their cribs, before they grow up and fight you back?
Aren't those the principles they are implanting in your brains?

EnvyChan said:
I guess I really should stop =)

Okay T_T
I barely see a debate here, with you parroting the same ridiculous lines over and over and over and I don't think you're even caring to carefully read my statements and give me some proper answers like I do to yours, you just overlook the lines you can't reply and stick to the ones where you think you can fit your precious "terrorists/human shields" sentence in.

Peace…

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